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  Quote of the Day

  by purplesofa in

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  " it is never too late to be what you might have been".

  i read this today and thought of you.

  purps.

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  reality is what you can get away with - Robert A Wilson
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  FAVORITE QUEEN SONG

  by tijkmo in

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  well it's worth a try - even if it only annoys minimus.

  if ya fave is bohemian rhapsody then your no.

  2 song.

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  FLASH! Gordon
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  Are we just domesticated animals?

  by Anti-Christ in

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  i was doing a lot of thinking lately about the nature of us, humans.

  there are different ways of seeing it but if we did evolve, then that would explain a lot.

  what we call civilised is simply domestication.

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  there have always seemed to be a small group of shepherds who have manipulated, fleeced and slaughtered the sheeple...they domesticated the herds of mankind.
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  Is agnostic different from athiest? How so?

  by wanderlustguy in

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  i know the answer, because i am agnostic.

  it is strange to me that people assume if you say you are agnostic that it means you don't believe in god.

  from wiki.... agnostics claim either that it is not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of god or gods; or, alternatively, that while individual certainty may be possible, they personally have no knowledge.

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  agnostic = unable to tell if what others claim is true or just a [b]elief [s]ystem.
  
  atheist = without any belief[s] in a being that others claim to exist.
  
  both a believer and an atheist can be agnostic if they state their beliefs honestly. Such as I dont believe that this being, others are telling me exists, exists because I have found no valid reason for doing so... or I do believe such a being exists because I accept x y and z as evidences for such a being.--without claiming that they "KNOW" in either case.
  
  only the CONviNcED beLIEveRS in either camp cross the line into delusion by making claims of absolute knowledge.
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  Exciting announcements at service meeting

  by truthseeker in

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  we've already had a post on this, but there were other interesting comments.. the brother giving the announcements said that there would be a new understanding of jesus' reference to the generation as discussed at the annual meeting.. an elder giving a service meeting part review of different watchtower articles from the current year brought out the new light concerning 1935.. he asks: "when is the sealing of the anounted ones?".

  elder answers: "there is no specific date".

  later after the meeting, i asked an elder if the new understanding of the remnant now meant that younger people could go to heaven.. he answered with an affirmative "yes" and that we would be getting the new understanding of the generation jesus spoke of in a future 2008 watchtower.. .

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  the question is were they telling the truth all along...they told us, that 1935 was special because a lot of hangers on did not FEEL like they had the heavenly calling and were wondering what their part would be...and because of this, they re-read the bible and discovered the great crowd doctrine...which of course is now obviously wrong as well...but was this the actual story or was there a back story that they just decided to cut off the annointed and make up a great crowd class? if they were honest, then it seems that honest people who could not be brainwashed into believing they were annointed were manipulated and suckered by Rutherford into accepting they could be slaves of the WT anyway.
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  Do YOU Hate Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by minimus in

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  i don't hate the people.

  i feel bad for many of them.

  i don't like the religion because it is a cult.

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  if you are burned by fire is it rational to hate fire because of your lack of skill or understanding? JWs are part of nature, forces of nature... not good nor evil until compared to something they are not. deception is a big part of nature, I am not supprized that humans are liars by nature for the most part (^_^)
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  help needed. God of OT vs God of NT

  by why144000 in

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  i need a bit of help trying to explain to my wife that the god of the ot was not the same "god is love" of the nt.

  she is coming around to the fact that the gb are not the fds however i keep getting the line that god loves everyone and always has.

  i will be researching the ot to show her examples of where the god of the ot demanded killing and forced slavery etc.

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  it seems to me that the god of old and new are basically the same... you read in the old, though is sins were as crimson I will make them white as snow if he repents...and though is acts were righteous, if he turns from me he will be laid low... [paraphrasing]. and the god of the new saying things like -- those who did not want me as king, bring them before me and slaughter them -luke 19:27, etc.
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  What really matters now?

  by nvrgnbk in

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  i'm just getting back from the toronto fest.. more beautiful people one could not wish to find.. thanks to all, and in particular bumble bee and memario, for hosting.. while i was away, i see that trev lost linda.. my heart is broken.. and i see some stuff about dannyh hurting some elderly brothers?.

  this board is so important to us supporting one another.. i think it's about love.. may we never allow ourselves to be consumed with hate or dedicate our lives to destroying something.. it's not hard to do if we dwell on what we lost.

  but we win in so many ways when we celebrate the life we have now and new beginnings instead of hanging on to the past.. that's the best "revenge".. we all need to vent.. it's a critical part of deprogramming.. but i'm thankful to the good friends on here that gave me a heads-up when they saw me heading towards bitterness.

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  when I left JWs my first fear, that life would have no meaning, ended... life still had meaning but I did not understand why or how for many years.
  
  I discovered that all meaning comes from my awareness that my next move has consequences for my peace of mind.
  
  my next move may bring me pain or pleasure or contentment.
  
  I discovered that others are part of my sense of contentment as well, so one cannot be completely selfish and find actual contentment.
  
  I realized that everyone and everything is part of my minds contents and the suffering of some parts is suffering of my total self.
  
  so I realized that the best one can do is to live in the eye of the storm.... that calm center of the mind which exists
  
  when what you are thinking and what you are doing match.... when the mind drifts to where the body cannot follow, like the future of
  
  anticipations, the past of memories and the alternative universes of what if and if only that are right and left... storms of dis-ease
  
  arise and contentment is lost.
  
  so to be simple..what MATTERS NOW is always ONE thing, contentment.
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  Does a person's true personality come out when they're drunk?

  by lfcviking in

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  i've heard this been said before that when you have had loads to drink and when your inhibitions are temporarily removed then the real you is exposed.

  i.e:.

  some people when they've got a skinfull they might start talking about money & bragg about personal financial achievements and how much more money they're going to earn.. some people after a few beers suddenly think they're rocky balboa and think they can take the world on.. others after sinking some g & t's might turn into a crazed sexual tyrannosaurus!!.

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  yeast urine is a mild poison which effects the brain like a setative... it slowly puts to sleep different parts of the brain... since it travels via blood, parts that use the most blood will naturally be effected first... the biggest activity of the brain is suppressing desires in general so that desires in specific can be focused on and acted upon. alcohol is bascially a liquid lobotomy and teh resultant personality can hardly be said to be the TRUE one... unless you consider people with a lobotomy more authentic then those without... what it will reveal is a lot of hidden desires and suppressed emotions, which we all have to some degree and rarely show others-- and that makes up our true personality from moment to moment, not what we hide.
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  Could someone please explain the new "light"on the"generation" .

  by yesidid in

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  sorry to be so dumb.

  i just don't understand what the new teaching is.. i understood pre and post 1995 but haven't been able to get the gist of the latest.. could someone please explain it so a low intellect like me can understand, please, please.. and thank you,.

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  THIS GENERATION was used by Jesus multiple times and if you examine all but the key one in question, the usage was uniform and ALWAYS referred to ONE group of people, those ALIVE at the time of Jesus actual earthly ministry... there seems to be some historical referrances that indicate that first century christians understood it this way reguarding the generation which would not pass away... until of course they did... then they FIRST NEW LIGHT on the subject likely flashed forth... since to believe otherwise would make Jesus a false prophet...and that was unthinkable for those who were selling him so hard.